BH getting breach charge when Jedi are to visible to travel

BH getting breach charge when Jedi are to visible to travel
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twan

Proposal
Move BH getting breach charge to when a Jedi is to visible to travel. This lines up better with the state of the game and synergy
Justification
Current system is 1k npc’s talk to you.
2k- Npc’s spawn on you
3k - too visible to travel and when you become on the boards. It makes sense to have the breach charge here when the Jedi is on the boards and being hunted by BH’s
4K- empire has really noticed and inquisitors are after you.
5k - Vader
Motivation
To have this align better with the game and give BH’s more of a chance of getting their target . Also, keep it within lore of Jedi in hiding and really watching what they are doing. Jedi still have the ability to hid at the ranch so not a big change but makes them be more aware of their surroundings.
BH currently hey a breach charge when a Jedi is over 4K visibility. Currently not many breach charges out there due to Jedi hiding in house and being able to lower visibility.
 
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Tyr said:
The black and white thinking of you can only have it one way is 100% incorrect. I do not care either way if they change it or not but your comment about obi-wan and people not knowing is the point. (fyi - vis system is meant to keep jedi in hiding and works pretty well) You have to know that a Jedi is even alive and been seen somewhere to (higher vis) so you can even know to send the probe droids. Yoda was hiding in a swamp all alone and obiwan was hiding on Tat and acted like an old hermit. Once he lit up that saber in the cantina however now people knew where to look. Also bounty hunter guild? You make an assumption here that all or even most would belong to some universe wide BH guild, which is wrong. BH are already handicapped trying to hunt Jedi and failing the mission means losing all that time and effort along with whatever droids and food and drink etc you used up. Oh and just to play along if the guild sent out a BH after a Jedi they would absolutely make sure they were geared up for success including the charges. To not do so would be a waste of time, effort and creds not to mention the BH would not appreciate it.

I will say that I don't see changing it to be a positive thing because it takes away the progressive penalty piece. You get on the boards at 3k and progress to breaching at 4k. It seems fine as it i
Tyr said:
The black and white thinking of you can only have it one way is 100% incorrect. I do not care either way if they change it or not but your comment about obi-wan and people not knowing is the point. (fyi - vis system is meant to keep jedi in hiding and works pretty well) You have to know that a Jedi is even alive and been seen somewhere to (higher vis) so you can even know to send the probe droids. Yoda was hiding in a swamp all alone and obiwan was hiding on Tat and acted like an old hermit. Once he lit up that saber in the cantina however now people knew where to look. Also bounty hunter guild? You make an assumption here that all or even most would belong to some universe wide BH guild, which is wrong. BH are already handicapped trying to hunt Jedi and failing the mission means losing all that time and effort along with whatever droids and food and drink etc you used up. Oh and just to play along if the guild sent out a BH after a Jedi they would absolutely make sure they were geared up for success including the charges. To not do so would be a waste of time, effort and creds not to mention the BH would not appreciate it.

I will say that I don't see changing it to be a positive thing because it takes away the progressive penalty piece. You get on the boards at 3k and progress to breaching at 4k. It seems fine as it is.
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You lose a half hour and a few thousand credits for failing, what a massive amount of consequence. A jedi get killed they lose 18 hours and a million exp. This is like puttig a single feath on a balace scal on 1 side and brick on the other side and calling it even. You want to even that balance out, 18 hours locked out of beig able to BH if you fail, that is the equivelent. Where are you getting breachung charges, I don't see a store you are buying them from. Maybe there should be an option of 250k per single charge. As for Obi-wan you are right they knew where to look for him. Even being on the boards equivelent you didnt see droids being able to track him to his house after he was done wth Vader, hence a hide mechanic from droids.. I agree with Tyr, it is a major change that would drastically effect the system. See I dont like it black and white either, sadly with Jedi and BH there needs to be a balance. When a jedi gets attacked as is, no one can help them. Current Jedi have a lot more disadvantage in certian aspect, it counter balances with things not being able to get outside help. You want the charges 250k min per charge.
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twan said:
Well, first off this is a game. Not the movies or realism being asked. The ask is having the charges added to where it makes sense. Logically when a Jedi gets in to visible to travel or do anything makes the most sense for the charges to be available. Also, Jedi do have the ability to hide at the ranch. This change is very minor and affects very little. Just makes the Jedi play slightly more cautious on where they log out. And if you want to use your yoda example. Well the ranch is like dagobah where he hide since it was filled with the dark side of the force. It masked his force from being g detected. The ranch does the same thing when you’re at the ranch you can not be on the boards or detected .
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Oh and I just read your initial post, you litterally were quoating lore, this is a quote on realism, so I re inerate my comment about realism. This is not an attack on you. This seems like you want lore aka realism if it benefits BH, But you don't want Lore/ realism if it helps Jedi.
 
Before things stray too far away, keep in mind that this PV is about reducing the Breach Charges from 4K vis to 3K vis.
Many of the recent arguments against the PV seem to be acting as if the PV was about adding Breaching Charges to the game.

For example, the argument that there shouldn't be a change because it will reduce the number of Jedi safehouses doesn't work, because the Breaching Charge already exists and is acquirable in game. Instead of making the argument about why Breaching Charges should/shouldn't exist, try to make it about why it should/shouldn't stay at 4K vis.
 
Ok let me try this again. Jedi is an alpha class and BH are not. Jedi are supposed to stay hidden and get a penalty if they do not, BH do not have this because they are both not an alpha class and not meant to stay hidden. Jedi don't need help when they are attacked as they are the alpha class and BH are not. Your bias against BH comes through repeatedly in your posts. No it should not be balanced out unless you make BH an alpha class. How hard is it for you to grasp this simple concept? Oh and you are, I predict, just going to love Inquisitors when they get here.

Another thing - Jedi are supposed to stay hidden, out of sight, Order 66. BH do not have this issue. You break the vis system rule of not staying hidden and then get killed you get the penalty. Very simple and the entire point of the system. Unless you are suggesting making BH an alpha class to "balance" it.
 
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Fezix93 said:
Before things stray too far away, keep in mind that this PV is about reducing the Breach Charges from 4K vis to 3K vis.
Many of the recent arguments against the PV seem to be acting as if the PV was about adding Breaching Charges to the game.

For example, the argument that there shouldn't be a change because it will reduce the number of Jedi safehouses doesn't work, because the Breaching Charge already exists and is acquirable in game. Instead of making the argument about why Breaching Charges should/shouldn't exist, try to make it about why it should/shouldn't stay at 4K vis.
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What are you talking about? I responded to the moving it to 3k so maybe you misread it or are not posting to me. The argument for not moving it because it makes The Ranch the only safe house and gets rid of the progressive penalty is quite valid because at 3k you can find a safe house because the breach is at 4k. Moving it means no more safe houses.
 
Tyr said:
Tyr said:
Ok let me try this again. Jedi is an alpha class and BH are not. Jedi are supposed to stay hidden and get a penalty if they do not, BH do not have this because they are both not an alpha class and not meant to stay hidden. Jedi don't need help when they are attacked as they are the alpha class and BH are not. Your bias against BH comes through repeatedly in your posts. No it should not be balanced out unless you make BH an alpha class. How hard is it for you to grasp this simple concept? Oh and you are, I predict, just going to love Inquisitors when they get here.

Another thing - Jedi are supposed to stay hidden, out of sight, Order 66. BH do not have this issue. You break the vis system rule of not staying hidden and then get killed you get the penalty. Very simple and the entire point of the system. Unless you are suggesting making BH an alpha class to "balance" it.
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Just no, if you want these breaching charges sooooo bad out a cost or 250k to 500k. Droids are eff all of a cost. BH is supposed to take work, it sounds like you just want less work. You want the dangers of being a BH but you don't want the effort to being one. This entire post is about wanting realism because it is that time in the time line. Guess what...people helped Jedi when they were attacked during this time line. So you want realism because the time line then you have no problems letting people aid a Jedi either. Again comes down to you wanting realism then take the entire scope not just one side.
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The breaching charges are already in the game as Fezix pointed out. First I have both BH and Jedi and can appreciate both. Second you a purposely ignoring the fact that BH are not an alpha class and don't need to be treated like one just because you have a weird thing about them and pvp. This post is about asking if the breaching charges (which already are in game) can be changed from Vis 4 to Vis 3. That is it. Nothing more. Truth is you are guilty of accusing others of the thing you want and that is an Alpha class alt without the alpha class restrictions. You have made that clear over and over and over again.

Please stop derailing the conversation. It is a perfectly valid request to move them from 4 to 3 and there are pro's and con's that can be said for both sides of it. Your realism argument is one you self made here and then continue to use even though it is both wrong and flawed. (fyi go to TC and check on the gtef progress eh?).
 
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Tyr said:
The breaching charges are already in the game as Fezix pointed out. First I have both BH and Jedi and can appreciate both. Second you a purposely ignoring the fact that BH are not an alpha class and don't need to be treated like one just because you have a weird thing about them and pvp. This post is about asking if the breaching charges (which already are in game) can be changed from Vis 4 to Vis 3. That is it. Nothing more. Truth is you are guilty of accusing others of the thing you want and that is an Alpha class alt without the alpha class restrictions. You have made that clear over and over and over again.

Please stop derailing the conversation. It is a perfectly valid request to move them from 4 to 3 and there are pro's and con's that can be said for both sides of it. Your realism argument is one you self made here and then continue to use even though it is both wrong and flawed. (fyi go to TC and check on the gtef progress eh?).
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Jedi already have restrictions, to just feel there needs to be more. It's also perfectly valid to say move charges to 250k to 500k a pop. It is also perfect valid to ask for ways Jedi can hide themselves from droids. Just because you hate Jedi so much don't try to ruin the class because you can't handle fighting one. As said by every pvper.since the dawn or time. "After better"
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Jedi already have restrictions, to just feel there needs to be more. It's also perfectly valid to say move charges to 250k to 500k a pop. It is also perfect valid to ask for ways Jedi can hide themselves from droids. Just because you hate Jedi so much don't try to ruin the class because you can't handle fighting one. As said by every pvper.since the dawn or time. "After better"
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Why do you even post in these things? Nothing you just said is about the should they be moved from 4 to 3.
 
Oh and ask for Jedi hiding, when getting vis is stupid high doing heroics they don't have a choice. A Jedi dies they don't have access to any content for 18 hours, tell me how long a BH is out from dying. Surely a BH also loses a million exp as for all right? So when you said they don't have restrictions, you are very wrong. Surely droids cost hundreds of thousand and a mission takes a couple hours. In reality closer to 30 mins and a couple thousand. There is no danger other then being out a couple grand and 30 minutes. Now lock the BH out of bounties failed mission out 18 hours failing a Jedi BH mission. It has nothing to do with vis, it has nothing to do with no restrictions. It has everything to do with wanting that pvp thrill and forcing playing into dead pvp content.

You can't even take a Jedi into battlefields without being bountied after from being reported. One death and thats it's gone 18 hours. So again how are Jedi not having restrictions and please don't use the same over used comment.. but but Aloha class. Anyone can be beaten if you have the skill.
 
Tyr said:
Why do you even post in these things? Nothing you just said is about the should they be moved from 4 to 3.
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Oh btw you know what move breechunt charges from 4 to o 3 does. I means Jedi won't be leaving the ranch and that option to get more access to them means you will get even less. I think maybe a star ship terminal should be added inside the ranch to help with that.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Oh and ask for Jedi hiding, when getting vis is stupid high doing heroics they don't have a choice. A Jedi dies they don't have access to any content for 18 hours, tell me how long a BH is out from dying. Surely a BH also loses a million exp as for all right? So when you said they don't have restrictions, you are very wrong. Surely droids cost hundreds of thousand and a mission takes a couple hours. In reality closer to 30 mins and a couple thousand. There is no danger other then being out a couple grand and 30 minutes. Now lock the BH out of bounties failed mission out 18 hours failing a Jedi BH mission. It has nothing to do with vis, it has nothing to do with no restrictions. It has everything to do with wanting that pvp thrill and forcing playing into dead pvp content.

You can't even take a Jedi into battlefields without being bountied after from being reported. One death and thats it's gone 18 hours. So again how are Jedi not having restrictions and please don't use the same over used comment.. but but Aloha class. Anyone can be beaten if you have the skill.
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LOL you are funny in a sad way. This has been covered across many PV's and posts. You have a choice on how much vis you get in the Heroics if you run 1 or 2 jed and run 1 heroic and pause for a few minutes to clear your vis. BUT you know this and more and just babble on and on while derailing another PV. Jedi are alpha and BH are not. Very simple. Your weird hate of BH and pvp has been seen repeatedly and now pops up again. It is like when you were told it wouldn't change and you said fine I will keep posting til they do. Please stick to the OP and drop all this weird stuff you have going on.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Oh btw you know what move breechunt charges from 4 to o 3 does. I means Jedi won't be leaving the ranch and that option to get more access to them means you will get even less. I think maybe a star ship terminal should be added inside the ranch to help with that.
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Now that is a little better. At least you are talking about the OP with a concern that applies. The issue is that moving them to 3 means they have no safe houses anywhere except the Ranch and there are a number of people and groups who have setup safe houses and safe house networks and all that goes down the drain along with maybe it being a tad too easy. Maybe not, but a calm sensible discussion is much better than weird tantrums.
 
Tyr said:
LOL you are funny in a sad way. This has been covered across many PV's and posts. You have a choice on how much vis you get in the Heroics if you run 1 or 2 jed and run 1 heroic and pause for a few minutes to clear your vis. BUT you know this and more and just babble on and on while derailing another PV. Jedi are alpha and BH are not. Very simple. Your weird hate of BH and pvp has been seen repeatedly and now pops up again. It is like when you were told it wouldn't change and you said fine I will keep posting til they do. Please stick to the OP and drop all this weird stuff you have going on.
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You don't want me talking about vis, so would suggest dropping that part.
 
Tyr said:
Now that is a little better. At least you are talking about the OP with a concern that applies. The issue is that moving them to 3 means they have no safe houses anywhere except the Ranch and there are a number of people and groups who have setup safe houses and safe house networks and all that goes down the drain along with maybe it being a tad too easy. Maybe not, but a calm sensible discussion is much better than weird tantrums.
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Again you want charges at 3k then make charg s a buyable item at 250k min per one charge then you can use them whenever you want. But you don't want that. Your want to be able to hunt Jedi anywhere any time. Just no
 
See the people who voted this I guarantee all have BH. It's treds like this that keep on aging the us verse then narrative. It makes more people hate pvp.
 
Lol you are the funny one. You just want everything but don't want anything that balanc w because balance means you don't get to kill Jedi at the drop of a hat. Do you think breeching charges just magically appear. Put a high cost on them. 250k min and just for one that vanished after 24 hours. As for hijacking posts, the anti Jedi have constantly hijacked my Jedi posts and I haven't called then out on it.
 
PCarley, there is a problem when you post 4 messages in a row in a comment thread. You been asked, many many many times to not just turn discussions into flaming nonsense just because you disagree with the premise. This is not how you have meaningful discussions
 
This PV is conditionally approved. We will try it for a while and examine the changes it makes to Jedi dynamics and revisit if it has unintended adverse effects.
 
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