Intorduction of the Engine Overhaul Subcomponent for SW's

I gotta downvote this. Focusing on a single band-aid subcomponent instead of working on fixing the flaws in all shipwright subcomponents makes all of the other subcomponents worthless.

As an actual top tier shipwright, why would anyone bother to make a different sub for an engine than this or the Stabilizer? It's only available as Mark I or Mark II and even on a top end Mark V engine would allow the speed (117 using capped resources) to nearly match the speed of an engine with an Overdriver (top speed of 120 using capped resources) while still making it far more maneuverable. In addition, it adds only mass to increase all of these stats. Those 3 extra points in speed from an Overdriver would be negligible, you're missing the extra YPR of the Overhaul and adding nearly 500 reactor drain for it.

And look at the Stabilizer that came out at the same time. Also only available as Mark I or Mark II, adds the same mass as the overhaul, but REDUCES the Drain, leaves speed alone, and more than doubles the added YPR of the engine.

These subcomponents highlight the problem with existing shipwright subs by adding (using capped resources) nearly 1400 mass to the engine while gaining the desired stats but they at least improves 4 different stats in return not 1 or 2, and the negatives aren't countering the gains in any way as existing subcomponents have happening with them (like the weapon damage subs adding to the desired min or max, while subtracting from the opposing min or max, practically negating the gains).

Now, the overhaul and stabilizer subs DO show that subs with negative aspects could still be really good. They boosted vital stats while only adding mass. The stabilizer boosted mass but provided some very serious gains in YPR and RED while the Overhaul boosted mass but gave major gains in Speed and YPR.

So it does show that existing subs could be tweaked. The question is how? Most of the subs don't affect that many stats, so the negatives are really nearly countering the gains. These 2 engine subs aren't countering the gains in any way.

Has nothing to do with beliefs. Has to do with facts and data from an actual shipwright who knows what they're talking about.

I never said there sholdn;t be trade-offs IF the trade-offs are reasnable.

These 2 subs, the overhaul and the stabilizer, show the trade-offs can be reasonable. You gain mass, but the negative of the mass gain does not counter the gains of the speed, the PYR, the RED.

And no. The numbers are not wrong. You yourself stated "Please note all figures are approxamations and a shipwrite should be able to give more exact figures"
Well, I AM a shipwright. I can provide you the data.

Mark II Overhaul Subcomponent, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:
3 points in P
3 points in Y
3 points in R
9 points in S

Gives:
P: 9
Y: 9
R: 9
S: 12
Mass: 1360


Mark V Overdriver Subcomponent, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:9 points in P
9 points in RED
9 points in S

Gives:
RED: 446
S: 15


Mark V Engine, No Subcomponent for base stats, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:
4 points in P
4 points in Y
1 point in R
9 points in S

Gives:
P: 67
Y: 67
R: 63
S: 105

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Now, same engine, adding in the Overhaul:
Gives:
P: 76
Y: 76
R: 71
S: 117

Same engine, adding in the Overdriver:
Gives:
P: 67
Y: 67
R: 63
S: 120

If you're going to argue with a SW about their craft, you should probably learn the craft and use the tools they use. I was only ever a SW in SWG during it's run. This was literally ALL I did for all of the years I played. I know my stuff.

Now, do wanna talk the Nova/Orions? Because I was pretty clear in my notes above that I was using the Mark V Engine
But sure, you like the Nova/Orions, let's use the Nova/Orions
Mark II Overhaul Subcomponent, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:
3 points in P
3 points in Y
3 points in R
9 points in S

Gives:
P: 9
Y: 9
R: 9
S: 12
Mass: 1360


Mark V Overdriver Subcomponent, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:
9 points in RED
9 points in S

Gives:
RED: 446
S: 15


Nova Industries Mark V Engine, No Subcomponent for base stats, capped using resources from Bloodfin prior to SWG shutdown:
4 points in P
4 points in Y
1 point in R
9 points in S

Gives:
P: 71
Y: 71
R: 65
S: 110

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Now, same engine, adding in the Overhaul:
Gives:
P: 79
Y: 79
R: 74
S: 122

Same engine, adding in the Overdriver:
Gives:
P: 71
Y: 71
R: 65
S: 125

See above

I have to stick with my downvote. These subs do nothing but obsolete existing subs and highlight the flaw with existing subs that, with tweaking so that the gains aren't neutralized by the cons, could still be relevant.

RE 10s are already hardly competitive with crafted Novas. I'm not necessarily against this, but it does feel like a slap in the face, knowing how long I spent making mine.

That being said, I wanna hear from Skunk on this. I imagine he has some good input/arguments

As a SW since jtl came out in live and also in R3 i was very happy when the new NGE components came out. it helped make more of the SW crafted components viable and brought more grounders in to space. i understand they could have just tweaked the existing subs but NGE was basically a new version so they just added new subs. R3 is a hybrid and it is most likely easier to just add in these existing subs. RE'd components will always be better in most ways but remember that it can take months, even years, to loot the stats you need. most grounders are not spending there time in space doing that. they just want to play and have fun .
What if the overhaul and stabilizer were added as one use schematics in convoys and rarely dropped?
just my 2 cents again.
i luv monkeys!!!!

in my opinion there should be a choice if i want better ypr and less speed , and i should be able to ask the shipwright to make the parts i require if its in there skill range and parts like the overhaul are available, that way i can choose if i what i want to sacrifice not what the shipwright believes is their best opinion, surly the game is about choice wether itys right or wrong but i would like to see the part includedas this is r3 not bloodfin ,calistra or legends the devs can choose what the increases to the sub componants are set at not what was done in a previous version, we were promised new things in space, better crafted gear lets see a small step in that direction and inplemt the overhaul giving better crafted engines better or at least a realistic chance to compete in a turning capabilities vs looted /re parts