Jedi items

Jedi items
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Pcarley1978

Proposal
I prppose Jedi eqipment be added to the Galatic token vendor and tier 3 or 4 tokens to buy. Even heroic tokens would be a great way to get them.
Justification
With GCW having things like crystals and sabers being added it is only fair the pve gets love to
Motivation
Much easier to get GCW
The amount of effort to get some of the Jedi sabers and crystals is crazy, yet you can easily buy these items on the GCW vendor with a mere fraction of the effort to get them. outside the saber in Sher Khar the other hilts require at least hard or nightmare for them to drop and its not guarentee they will drop. The lava Crystal take a lot of work to get and the other one is a nightmare to try and get. Please either remove them or make it easier to get these things in pve. please remember there are two sides to the game, Balanc has been talked abiut but this unbalances it by providing 1 side a much easier way to abtain these items.
 
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They are supposed to be hard to get. Why don't we just put all rare and hard to get stuff on vendors? If you really want them go into the Trade channel and buy them. Save up your creds and see if a friendly guild member or friend has any for sale at a discount. Buy the GCW from someone who has the tokens to sell. Remove them you say? Why? That smacls of pvp hate more than a viable solution and there is no inbalance as long as they can sell them to non pvp folks. Sorry downvote.
 
downvoting this because some stuff especially Jedi stuff is mean to , i don't know ...be rare and hard to obtain , crazy concept i know
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Yet you can easily obtain it will gcw, crazy concept, again PVPers want things given to them easily.
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No it is more like you are being angry because you can't get them "easily" though you can buy them or get the tokens yourself if they are so easy to get. Your anti pvp stance is well known and is wrong. Child like wrong. How does that pvp reward hurt you in any way? You can obtain it so how is it unbalanced or harm you at all?

Do you even read what you write? Please either remove them or make it easier to get these things in pve - So if you can't get them easily in pve no one should have them. That sounds awful/selfish.
 
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Downvoted because your premise is off; you can easily gain GCW tokens through PvE and PvEvP. While the methods you often hear about are generally to engage in PvP content at towers, there are plenty of avenues to gain GCW tokens through purely PvE means.
Also, the Jedi stuff you can get from GCW tokens is far from the best, and is generally out performed by the Jedi equipment acquired from PvE end game content.

Please do not use Player Voices simply to complain. I'd recommend starting the conversation in Discord or to DM a Senator first to make sure you are operating with accurate information, and then posting the PV once you have confirmation that both your premise and proposed added content or fix actually line up with what is presently in the game
 
Jedi Items obtainable through GCW (pvp optional) / Battlefield Vendor (pvp required):
1h Darth Sidious Lightsaber
2h Darth Sidious Lightsaber
Focused (Red) +6 Force Regeneration crystal

Jedi Items obtainable through PvE:
Old republic lightsaber hilt 1h
Old republic lightsaber hilt 2h
Juyo Saberstaff
Bastilla's Justice (double bladed ls)
Cloak of the Kursk
Cloak of the Stormlord
Jedi Knight Cloak
Jedi Master Cloak
Every regular color crystal (+5 stat)
Blackwing Crystal (+6 powers damage)
Lava Cyrstal (+6 ls damage)
Rohlan's Wisdom (literally the PvE version of the +6 Force Regeneration crystal equivalent)
Krayt Dragon Pearls
Power Crystals
Belt of Bodo Bass
Jedi Knight Writst Guard
Jedi Knight Meditation bracelet (needed to craft sabers)
Junk loot needed for Jedi exotics
+everything else I missed

Have I made my point?
 
Banth said:
Jedi Items obtainable through GCW (pvp optional) / Battlefield Vendor (pvp required):
1h Darth Sidious Lightsaber
2h Darth Sidious Lightsaber
Focused (Red) +6 Force Regeneration crystal

Jedi Items obtainable through PvE:
Old republic lightsaber hilt 1h
Old republic lightsaber hilt 2h
Juyo Saberstaff
Bastilla's Justice (double bladed ls)
Cloak of the Kursk
Cloak of the Stormlord
Jedi Knight Cloak
Jedi Master Cloak
Every regular color crystal (+5 stat)
Blackwing Crystal (+6 powers damage)
Lava Cyrstal (+6 ls damage)
Rohlan's Wisdom (literally the PvE version of the +6 Force Regeneration crystal equivalent)
Krayt Dragon Pearls
Power Crystals
Belt of Bodo Bass
Jedi Knight Writst Guard
Jedi Knight Meditation bracelet (needed to craft sabers)
Junk loot needed for Jedi exotics
+everything else I missed

Have I made my point?
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What is that behind your back Banth? Holding out on ole Jabba are ya? You forgot the blue one for pvp :)
Lightning CrystalForce Power Damage: 6
 
Tyr said:
What is that behind your back Banth? Holding out on ole Jabba are ya? You forgot the blue one for pvp :)
Lightning CrystalForce Power Damage: 6
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Oops! Lets compare!

Lightning Crystal (+6 powers damage) Effort required:
200 BF tokens = 20 wins (non-double tokens) or 40 losses.
1 match = 15 minutes.
Min/Max time required: 5 hours / 10 hours. DURING the match. Setup and buff time not included. Add at least 25% of the time to account for this.
Requirements:
4 players on either side required. Good luck scheduling this outside of a double token event.

Blackwing Crystal (+6 powers damage) Effort required:
Guaranteed quest reward from killing 1 mob in 10 minutes.
Max time required: 10 mins to get into Quarantine zone, <10 minutes to kill the mob.
Requirements:
Group of 4-8 players capable of not dying while killing a high level mob and completing it within a 10 minute time limit
 
If you know my history at all, you know that I've historically been a vocal advocate for the PvE side of this game, and in ensuring balance between PvP and PvE. But even so, I can't get behind this idea. As already well pointed out by Banth, there is literally no Jedi gear that PvPers can get that is exclusive to PvP. And when it comes to Jedi, NONE of it should be remotely easy. In fact, imho, much of it is too easy to get even now.

If the current difficulty level and your perceived disparity between PvP and PvE upset you now, then you better reset your expectations or just prepare yourself for the FRS. Because it'll piss you off judging by your current attitude toward Jedi.
 
EthavanCrowe said:
If you know my history at all, you know that I've historically been a vocal advocate for the PvE side of this game, and in ensuring balance between PvP and PvE. But even so, I can't get behind this idea. As already well pointed out by Banth, there is literally no Jedi gear that PvPers can get that is exclusive to PvP. And when it comes to Jedi, NONE of it should be remotely easy. In fact, imho, much of it is too easy to get even now.

If the current difficulty level and your perceived disparity between PvP and PvE upset you now, then you better reset your expectations or just prepare yourself for the FRS. Because it'll piss you off judging by your current attitude toward Jedi.
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I am not pissed off though, the only crystal that does not take a lot of effort is the darkening crystal. 5 hours to get the equivalent of that can't take months with the lava and the one that requires the fragments. PVPers can easily access the PvE equipment. A lot of pvers don't want to step into any PvP unless they have no choice. As for rohlans crystals itcould take literally months to get something that can be done in 5 hours guarantee.

Now the other Jedi items are not guaranteed drops, so again could take weeks or months verse hard core 5 hours. Why PvP being made really easy to obtain equipment the same on the PvE side can take hours to months. As for the FRS, there will be little to no benefit for PvE at all. So again being giving preferential treatment. I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling I won't be.
 
FRS is a whole other story than items you are mentioning here. For normies we have GCW ranks with only rank accessible items too they take a lot of effort to get and require participation in the pvp aspect of the game just like those ranks and items have their place that promote pvp, FRS is to be it's own thing. This is not a matter of preferential treatment as already 90% of the best loot jedi or otherwise is obtained through ground pve gameplay.

By that logic should we advocate to remove any space related reward from the ground gameplay and move them all behind space content? Does ground game get preferential treatment compared to space?

Yes there is a whole lot more stuff to be obtained via the ground game but i don't think separating different aspects of the game into their own bubbles is not the way to go. If you do not enjoy pvp that is your choice. But these unique rewards serve a role to promote newer players into exploring differing aspects of the game ant they are necessary for creating a healthier and more diverse environment in terms of gameplay.
 
Took me 5 minutes to buy the Red crystal from a pvp person. Huh guess it should have taken hours. I mean all the creds from running quests and things that drop that can be sold means you can buy it as well. Seems pretty easy.
 
I don't know much about the sabers or the crystals. You want to promote them, then make them do less damage outside PvP. Otherwise you are devaluing the PvE equivalent that can take months to get. Have the crystals and hilts do more damage in PvP. It is like games like WoW where PvP sets are great but you wouldn't run them in PvE content.
 
Now you're getting into a territory that I get push back on a lot from the PvPers and the devs, and I've come to understand and agree. In order to have a SWTOR-type of PvP-specific damage to separate it from the PvE gear, that would take, I dare say, excessive development time and complexity that I'm not sure you're completely aware of, especially considering the way SWG was designed and built from the ground up. Nevermind the spaghetti code. And even if it were simple, I'm not sure it aligns with the philosophy of SWG design.
 
I know that's the part that sucks, sadly the only way to really fix issues like this. Why would anyone want to di the shards, when you can get a crystal that does the exact same for maybe 10 % of the work, Even the lava crystal one the PvP version take a fraction of the amount of work. Outside saying you got the crystals as bragging rights, there is little incentive to want to spend that much time when there is a much easier version.
 
Well, you're forgetting the intrinsic value, and that is why SWG shines, why we all love and cherish the game, and even more now that there are even more customization options, with hopefully more to come *coughhumanfacetattooscough*. Sometimes that unique look is all the driving force someone needs. And often do in SWG. It's not all about the mechanics here.
 
Tyr said:
Took me 5 minutes to buy the Red crystal from a pvp person. Huh guess it should have taken hours. I mean all the creds from running quests and things that drop that can be sold means you can buy it as well. Seems pretty easy.
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Throwing your credits at anything is "easy" though, you can do that with practically all of the PvE items as well. Of course it trivialises it, that's the point of credits, you buy items from content that you don't want to do yourself. Still had to earn those credits in some form.

Of course people are focusing on the absolute minimum time I mentioned for getting 200 BF tokens. Good luck winning 20 back-to-back matches.

I would personally buy the crystal to anyone here who is able to organise 5 hours of battlefields within a day. The time it takes to complete is not the hard part.
 
Banth said:
Throwing your credits at anything is "easy" though, you can do that with practically all of the PvE items as well. Of course it trivialises it, that's the point of credits, you buy items from content that you don't want to do yourself. Still had to earn those credits in some form.

Of course people are focusing on the absolute minimum time I mentioned for getting 200 BF tokens. Good luck winning 20 back-to-back matches.

I would personally buy the crystal to anyone here who is able to organise 5 hours of battlefields within a day. The time it takes to complete is not the hard part.
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I agree with you. I bought it because my time is very limited so I have to pick and chose what I spend my time on. The devs had made it so there are different paths to get these things to help fit different styles of play.
 
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