Group TeFs for Bounty Hunters

Group TeFs for Bounty Hunters
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Derpyh

Derpyh

Proposal
- Allow anyone grouped with a Jedi to kill Bounty Hunters, Inquisitors, and any other NPC that attacks your party member.

- Allow anyone grouped with the BH to join in and kill the Jedi who attacked the Bounty Hunters.

Alls fair in love and war.
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Justification
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Seeing five BHs kill someone in your party and not being able to do shit isn't fun. Anyone grouped with the Jedi should be able to PvP too.

SWG is a group game, and this is making me upset because I have missed the TK instance 3 times due to Bounty Hunter's spawn camping the instance areas. It's very easy to pick someone off loading in that way, especially with recent changes to Auras and Jedi Buffs granting VIS.

Jedi are not nearly as tough as they were, and seeing a group of five + npcs spawning in on someone and not being able to do anything is lame.

It also fixes the bug where Jedi NPCs can attack you but you can't attack them. I also find this frustrating as they hit especially hard.
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Motivation
As I said, I am quite upset my groups keep getting wiped and watching others play a mini-game whilst I can't do shit pisses me off, if BHs want to Hunt high value targets let them but when it starts affecting my gameplay that is what upsets me.
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Tyr said:
LOL that should be your Senate platform poster :)
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I'm not good at talking but I will be making the class better and listening to feedback from people and trying to push new ideas and will be trying to make the game more fun.

I just won't be good at talking about it. I was always better at just showing the work instead; if that makes sense.
 
BikNoop said:
I don't think it's any different for Jedi. Jedi generate so much vis right now that they can't even pvp for longer then like 30 mins to an hour without getting slammed, same with inside of heroics.
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Well the concern is 30 minutes is a long time in public for a Jedi or group of them to be running around openly. Maybe they need to tweak the vis system again to try and keep them hidden. In instances is ok because people, other than the ones they are with, dont really see them and same for some of the quests. It is hard to try to find the sweet spot here really not to mention a group of 8 jedi seems pretty unstoppable by a group of normies.
 
Tyr said:
Well the concern is 30 minutes is a long time in public for a Jedi or group of them to be running around openly. Maybe they need to tweak the vis system again to try and keep them hidden. In instances is ok because people, other than the ones they are with, dont really see them and same for some of the quests. It is hard to try to find the sweet spot here really not to mention a group of 8 jedi seems pretty unstoppable by a group of normies.
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30 minutes is not a long time at all. 30 minutes is barely anything. Though I'm of the proponent that vis generation should be less harsh, but ghost timers should be longer. Though that whole debate would get way off topic.
 
Derpyh said:
I'm not good at talking but I will be making the class better and listening to feedback from people and trying to push new ideas and will be trying to make the game more fun.

I just won't be good at talking about it. I was always better at just showing the work instead; if that makes sense.
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It makes perfect sense and from the little I have seen you do good work and others have commented to me you do good work also.
 
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BikNoop said:
30 minutes is not a long time at all. 30 minutes is barely anything. Though I'm of the proponent that vis generation should be less harsh, but ghost timers should be longer. Though that whole debate would get way off topic.
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True. it is hard to find the balance. especially with different people wanting different things, different play styles, different ideas of fun, etc
 
Tyr said:
It makes perfect sense and from the little I have seen you do good work and others have commented to me you do good work also.
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Thank you, apologize by the way if I seem uncompromising. I get defensive when I argue with multiple people is all, and I am also working on stuff at the same time.

It is something I am working on.
 
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jcan0918 said:
Which is why you should try to get with a Senator to craft a good PV , instead of all the knee jerk reaction , spaghetti on the wall , garbage PV's that you keep making
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The PvP and Combat senator supported my idea. Remis said such encounters made the game seem a lot more fun as another server they play does it.
Tyr said:
True. it is hard to find the balance. especially with different people wanting different things, different play styles, different ideas of fun, etc
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Yes. The problem with BHing is it only supports a few specs not only due to the 4xxx limitation but like what was said above; you can't heal or buff your fellow BHs.
 
BikNoop said:
It's actually the opposite. If you can cause pvp on a larger scale from ANY form of group tef, then you're not going to be able to as easily exploit things like the 5man BH bug, you're not able to pick off someone in the middle of a group fight with a bounty (Which happens alot btw), and you're able to plan more accordingly how to run your groups and how you can build your comps.
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nope, wanting a tef to help you is weak.
 
Aconite

Not Implemented Combat  Post in thread 'BH targets'

I’m going to close this for now. I’ve asked the Development Team to revisit and produce a design document for how all flagging logic for PvP should work from the ground up. We’ll likely post a Developer Diary in the future to share our thoughts and will solicit feedback through the Senate and other channels in the process. There are a lot of different approaches and thoughts around how flagging should function and I don’t believe trying to address it at a low level will be helpful without first evaluating the macro view of flagging broadly and design intention.
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There was also this already posted not long ago
 
Outside of the argument, I also agree with Group TEF, as long as it is optional.

I don’t enjoy sitting around doing nothing if I’m with a Jedi and they end up pulling an Inquisitor. Realistically, if my buddy started getting beat up after we fought some Peko’s together for an hour or two, I’d want to help them out (especially since I know that the inquisitor would be murking me for assisting the Jedi after they were done).

Edit: My grammar sucked real bad before the edit.
 
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Abelsson said:
Outside of the argument, I also agree with Group TEF, as long as it is optional.

I don’t enjoy sitting around doing nothing if I’m with a Jedi and they end up pulling an Inquisitor. Realistically, if my buddy started getting beat up after we fought some Peko’s together for an hour or two, I’d want to help them out (especially since I know that the inquisitor would be murking me for assisting the Jedi after they were done).

Edit: My grammar sucked real bad before the edit.
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One problem is that Jedi are supposed to have this happen to them to keep them in hiding. I think if they allow it that anyone who helps the Jedi should automatically be put on the BH boards for doing so. Also this will get more thorny when the stronger Jedi arrive along with player Jedi Inquisitors. Let's not jump into something only to have to change it again later.

You use the argument of realisticlly...well what if your buddy turns out to be part of a wanted criminal gang and by helping you now become so as well? Realistically most folks would help a friend but stop at the point they find out they are criminals and will become one themselves. Realistically any time someone groups with a Jedi and does things, attacked or not, they should be added to the BH boards.
 
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Tyr said:
One problem is that Jedi are supposed to have this happen to them to keep them in hiding. I think if they allow it that anyone who helps the Jedi should automatically be put on the BH boards for doing so. Also this will get more thorny when the stronger Jedi arrive along with player Jedi Inquisitors. Let's not jump into something only to have to change it again later.

You use the argument of realisticlly...well what if your buddy turns out to be part of a wanted criminal gang and by helping you now become so as well? Realistically most folks would help a friend but stop at the point they find out they are criminals and will become one themselves. Realistically any time someone groups with a Jedi and does things, attacked or not, they should be added to the BH boards.
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And that seems like a fair deal to me for the opt in. You opt in, you are just as wanted on the bounty boards as the criminal you are helping and can fight to help your friend (which as a rebel, I am already part of a band of galactic-wide wanted criminals).

You choose to opt out, "Holy Shit Officer, my hands are up, I didn't know how much of a monster this guy was until he had a literal glowing sword to my throat. Please kill this guy and free me".
 
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I agree with putting this on hold and having them really break it down. If it can it will be used and abused first, second Obi and Yoda were not in hiding and hermits because they got good deals from their real estate agents :) The RP and flavor of this needs to be considered as well AND there is a possibility for pve Jedi content coming too. I am all for feeding the pvp wolves as much and as often as possible just need to be really careful with it.
 
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Tyr said:
I agree with putting this on hold and having them really break it down. If it can it will be used and abused first, second Obi and Yoda were not in hiding and hermits because they got good deals from their real estate agents :) The RP and flavor of this needs to be considered as well AND there is a possibility for pve Jedi content coming too. I am all for feeding the pvp wolves as much and as often as possible just need to be really careful with it.
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I absolutely also agree with a hold. And appreciate the back and forth with ya about it. I think we gave them a little bit more to consider.
 
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