Increase the rate of Underworld Faction to match BH's investigation tree.

Increase the rate of Underworld Faction to match BH's investigation tree.
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BuddyHightower

Proposal
Increase the rate at which smugglers earn Underworld Faction.
Justification
BH investigation was increased over 100 times what it was on live. There is no reason not to do the same for smuggler's underworld faction.
Motivation
The grind is brutal compared to their counterpart the BH.
Smugglers need underworld faction to move up tiers very similar to how bounty hunter's investigation tree works.
BHs have had their investigation xp increased by a ton.
I remember a tier 1 BH mission paying out 100 investigation xp per mission live - here i was getting 8,000xp per mission.
Increase underworld faction gain too - no one wants to grind those boring delivery missions, but teir 5 pays pretty good.
 
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yeah its a rough grind but when youve done enough you get a range and damage increase plus some innate armor which sadly doesnt stack with regular armor like it did NGE but whatever
 
there is actually no counterpart in bh, investigation tree doesnt give you any bonuses like smuggler uw reputation, its just part of the skill tree. But yea the grind is quite tough for the little benefits you get
 
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Kazhar said:
there is actually no counterpart in bh, investigation tree doesnt give you any bonuses like smuggler uw reputation, its just part of the skill tree. But yea the grind is quite tough for the little benefits you get
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Investigation tree gives you droids skills, but more importantly - it unlocks better missions.
Same with underworld faction - it unlocks better missions.
 
I just think you're comparing a skill grind for a profession and a faction grind after you're already master smuggler. Two different things. If it was required to reach master smuggler I'd agree with this.
 
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Underworld XP is NOT needed to Master Smuggler. It is an additional system of benefits. If you don't want to do it - leave it and yes I have done it and it is long and boring but it is not tough
 
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Kazhar said:
Exactly its not the same, if you grind uw rep its more about the extra range/armor/dmg than better missions
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Completely disagree, those bonuses are minimal compared to the 32K missions you get at master underworld smuggler.
I don't know why anyone would have an issue with this??
Do you really think a BH should get 8000xp for one mission at tier 1? because that's what i was getting and it only took 10 bouties (if that) to learn investigation 1 through 4.
BH missions (at top tier) pay more than smuggler and the loot is worth as much as the missions.
Smuggler get paid less, has to do a longer grind, and can be chased by BHs while doing their missions.

The payout should be increased and the grind shortened.
 
BuddyHightower said:
Completely disagree, those bonuses are minimal compared to the 32K missions you get at master underworld smuggler.
I don't know why anyone would have an issue with this??
Do you really think a BH should get 8000xp for one mission at tier 1? because that's what i was getting and it only took 10 bouties (if that) to learn investigation 1 through 4.
BH missions (at top tier) pay more than smuggler and the loot is worth as much as the missions.
Smuggler get paid less, has to do a longer grind, and can be chased by BHs while doing their missions.

The payout should be increased and the grind shortened.
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BH XP is based off your CL and the level mission you're able to take subsequently. You're thinking about credits, while everyone else is saying you get stat perks from Master Underworld Smuggler. They are different. If you're only concerned about credits and nothing else, go BH if you feel it's more lucrative. Grinding to Master Smuggler is just as easy as grinding to Master BH. Smuggler has an additional factional grind to get extra perks that aren't available to anyone else - if you want them - grind it. It's not XP - it's faction. It should be slower.
 
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PhilmorALF said:
BH XP is based off your CL and the level mission you're able to take subsequently. You're thinking about credits, while everyone else is saying you get stat perks from Master Underworld Smuggler. They are different. If you're only concerned about credits and nothing else, go BH if you feel it's more lucrative. Grinding to Master Smuggler is just as easy as grinding to Master BH. Smuggler has an additional factional grind to get extra perks that aren't available to anyone else - if you want them - grind it. It's not XP - it's faction. It should be slower.
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I was getting 8000xp from each BH mission. It took only 10 missions for the entire investigation tree.
Live it was 100 investigation XP per mission.
I have both a BH and a smuggler - they are the only combat professions with any real content.
 
Why does a Smuggler do the missions? for Credits? For XP? For slicing materials? This is the end game of Master Smuggler you are not required to do any of the missions, but you are in it for the long haul. In 2 missions i can charge 50k + for slicing with or without choosing to PVP. Risk vs Reward. Do many smugglers still do missions after they max out faction, yes they do for the same reason i do, for credits and slicing materials.

BH missions uses droids that is a money sink. Yes the smuggler does have to front some of the cost of failure. BH missions also end up with a higher risk of death. Armor decay is real and BH have access to better armor then Smugglers . Bounty Hunters need to do these missions to get to the master level, not so for smugglers.

My only issue with the BH vs Smuggler missions is the loot is way better for Bounty Hunters. In terms of item drops and credits. But Bounty Hunters have to do the grind, Smugglers do not.
 
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Yeah its a mixed bag. Smuggling missions are smuggler content. And you need to get master underworld to get the best of them , so thats a bit of a grind. But it's not a template or CL grind. BH missions are part of their build grind, but also the BH "content". You just can't compare them.

I'd also say that BH do BH missions ever after they have completed that template grind. Like Silayn the only reason I ever do Smuggler missions anymore is that I need slicing components - If I had a BH too I probably never would as they get better smuggler drops than we do. I'm not at 5k faction, but there is no reason to care, I'm not going to continue to grind that after I get Master Underworld because there's no reward for it. The only valuable thing is the quest rewards along the way, so who cares about the faction points.

Just as an aside though, BH droids are not a money sink. Money may be spent, but it does not disappear from the system, it transfers to other players.
 
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Silayn said:
My only issue with the BH vs Smuggler missions is the loot is way better for Bounty Hunters. In terms of item drops and credits. But Bounty Hunters have to do the grind, Smugglers do not
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What grind? The BH grind is a walk in the park.
1000 xp required to learn investigation 1 - first mission gave me 3500XP at level 38 with a template of Novice BH, Novice medic, Carbineer 2xx2 and all the pre-requirements
The investigation tree also gives a player 2 combat levels at tier 4.

For smugglers, you can't even take a smuggler mission till you are a master smuggler. (not sure why not available at novice)
Then to get to tier 5 you need 2500FPs which you gain 25FP per pve mission and a giant 35FP for a pvp mission (which are not available till tier 4).
Why is this even a discussion? Buff the faction points!
 
BuddyHightower said:
What grind? The BH grind is a walk in the park.
1000 xp required to learn investigation 1 - first mission gave me 3500XP at level 38 with a template of Novice BH, Novice medic, Carbineer 2xx2 and all the pre-requirements
The investigation tree also gives a player 2 combat levels at tier 4.

For smugglers, you can't even take a smuggler mission till you are a master smuggler. (not sure why not available at novice)
Then to get to tier 5 you need 2500FPs which you gain 25FP per pve mission and a giant 35FP for a pvp mission (which are not available till tier 4).
Why is this even a discussion? Buff the faction points!
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You don't have to do the smuggler missions. That is the point here.
 
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Silayn said:
You don't have to do the smuggler missions. That is the point here.
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lol well what's the point of being a smuggler then? Seriously.
The tier 5 missions pay well (32k profit) they are fun and involve space and even pvp if you want.
I mean who plays smuggler to just slice and make spice??
They aren't very good at combat or GCW stuff.

I'm master smuggler / master pistols / Novice medic / Novice Merchant and Ace pilot (working on it)
What's my content? - Smuggler missions.

and yes if that's my content it shouldn't matter how long it takes but tiers 1 - 3 are terrible. They don't offer space or PvP content so why make us crawl through it so slow?
 
Smugglers are great at combat due to their cc, bh content is pretty much the same as smugglers content with the addition to player bounties which is the biggest point of bhunting. I wouldnt mind to make the underworld grind easier if that's what the people want i was just pointing out that you were comparing 2 completely different things
 
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But like Silayn said, there is no smuggler grind. There's a set of quests with rewards. You're not grinding towards a goal. You don't have to do it.

You're not comparing like with like. And more importantly there's no problem the suggestion solves.
 
juspar said:
But like Silayn said, there is no smuggler grind. There's a set of quests with rewards. You're not grinding towards a goal. You don't have to do it.

You're not comparing like with like. And more importantly there's no problem the suggestion solves.
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Grinding to get to tier 5 is a goal, and again I can't believe there is any push back, it seems silly at this point.
2500fp to get to tier 5 at 25fp a mission is a grind.
That's 100 missions before a master smuggler can get to their top tier, which may be under-developed, and under-paid, but still - it's there top tier content.

Meanwhile a BH needs to only do 6 BH missions to get to their top content.
Perhaps 1 of the trees in smuggler should require these missions the way BH requires bounty missions for a tree, perhaps not.
The fact remain however that 1 criminal toon takes 100 missions and the other only requires 6.
 
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